To The Vegans Reading...

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This is just a curiousity...

What is your opinion on the use of silk harvested where the collected cocoon is already abandoned by the live moth? (Wild silk, Tussah etc)

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I am not capable of thinking but tried anyway....

[darkfiremoon.livejournal.com]

The problem is that wearing such things other people cannot tell the difference. Some even get all antsy about fake fur and pleather...looking like leather and sending the wrong image. I have a real suede coat with fake fur, or so I thought turns out it's not fur but some bird type thing all real.I didn't buy it but I do wear it..wore it to whole paycheck er wholefoods once...won't do that again....people looked at me like I was butchering babies right in front of them.... My response to that is OH PLEASE grow up.

The deal is this. I can go buy a pelt/hide/fur/silk skein? (not silk I do not know how to work with it so I am exampling what I know and making up words as I go) and with very little impact on mother nature have me a coat, a blanket, boots, etc. How the fuck is fake fur made? Synthetics? How is that good for the Earth? Which these animals we are saving ultimately live upon too. With the right equipment I can grow the food to feed the animal and slaughter the animal and eat it's flesh use it's fat to make soap, lamps, and a whole host of other shit I can't even think of including feed other animals....Then I can use it's bones and apparently tan it's hide with it's own brain....When I am at that stage....I will be happy.

I am sick and scattered and I only pretend to be vegan...I have issues and I deal with them with the resources I have available to me. No real answers....just hypocritical observations I guess.

Just like you said how does a drinking horn fit into being vegan well it doesn't. I can promise to buy a horn from an aminal treated with love and killed compassionately close to my home and treat it using all natural ingredients to ensure no further impact on the earth but that's about it. My piety overshadows my other views....it is a battle...I am not even sure who is fighting or what the score is. Or how about that drum I just bought den. I searched for a company that replants and uses skins acquired from fair trade and humane sources....synthetics are worse for the environment even taking into consideration the long ship ride that drum took to get to America and ultimately my lovercat's hands.

Ultimately when the shit hits the fan there will be a limited number of synthetics left and I hope to the gods we don't relearn how to make them. Supposing we cannot or do no then what? There will be no Veganism. There will be survivalism... I'll be prepared....

No real answers just questions.

Re: I am not capable of thinking but tried anyway....

[unprotoize.livejournal.com]

Interestingly a survivalist diet consists of very little meat in the way it's most frequently consumed. Forage is a lot of leafy greens, roots, brassicas and tubers, with the very rare meat orgy. And I don't mean bacon - there may be a bit of that - but it's gonna be more tripe and tendon and tongue than you're used to eating. Just FYI.

[unprotoize.livejournal.com]

To me, (and no, I'm not really vegan) and to many vegans I know it's about the suffering you induce for your convenience. There are choices and you can choose, in some cases, natural fibers over things that cause suffering either to the animal slaugtered for their skins or to the fish who live in petrol-based polluted waters thanks to synthetic production.

I don't think harvesting silk from discarded pods means you're exploiting the silkworms in a way that makes them suffer. If you exploit a cow in a painful, cruel way so that you can eat a nice, juicy steak - clearly that's not cool. At least..it's clear to me.

I know vegans who do and some who don't eat honey, because they've wrestled with the question of bee exploitation and decided that it either does or doesn't cause the bees suffering.

I disagree with darkfiremoon that it's a question of animal-based products versus harmful, polluting synthetic garments. I've built a pretty nice wardrobe out of cotton, linen, some wool, a few synthetics here and there and yes, the occasional leather item.

I realize that when "the shit hits the fan" all bets are off - if I'm starving I'll eat what's available - even foie gras. (Imagine that scenario - no soybeans around, but there's fois gras raining from the sky.) The fact is we don't live in that world at the moment - at this time we are blessed with both choices *and* frontal lobes.