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Will this man ever quit? He was on TV when I was 6 years old. I had a babysitter who watched the 700 Club.
Congressmen urge Bush to protect chaplains’ religious liberty
Interesting. One thing I don't understand here...
The interim guidelines do not include a statement on evangelism included in the Code of Ethics issued only in January by the Air Force Chaplain Service. That document said of a chaplain, “I will not actively proselytize from other religious bodies. However, I retain the right to instruct and/or evangelize those who are not affiliated.”
So it seems that this person is saying that it's ok to evangelize...as long as it's only to people who claim no particular adherence to faith?
There's also this...
The Alliance Defense Fund filed a motion Nov. 7 to intervene in the suit to protect the interests of two Air Force officers, Maj. James Glass, a chaplain, and Capt. Karl Palmberg, an F-16 pilot. “After over five years of service and over 500 F-16 flying hours both overseas and at home, I consider my constitutional right to discuss my faith without censorship or fear of retribution as valuable to the military and the future of our nation as the aircraft, bombs and bullets I am trained to employ,” Palmberg said in a written release.
"Constitutional right to discuss my faith"
Are we talking about a debate or exchange of ideas here? Or are we talking about attempting to convert someone? NOT the same thing.
This whole issue really kinda bugs me- and by "This whole issue" I mean prostheletizing/evangelizing, anywhere, not specifically within the Air Force or any other particular organization. And by "really kinda bugs me", I mean it irks the hell out of me.
Freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Which I must grudgingly admit means prostheletizing is legal. HOWEVER, it also means that we are free to practice religion or lack thereof without harassment from others (Well, theoretically anyway.)
Many Christians see it as their religious duty to evangelize. Most people (that I know of anyway) don't WANT to be evangelized.
I believe that such a thing has no place in the workplace (I would have to say with the possible exception being if you're working for a church or church-affiliated organization, which I wouldn't necessarily agree with, but that's a REALLY grey area. I don't know too many hyperliberal atheists who would say, go to work for the Christian Coalition. If for some unfathmable reason I was ever in a situation where I willingly went to work for such an establishment, I'd EXPECT such attempts.)
I'm totally rambling here. I think I may have left some thoughts incomplete. But I need to do stuff. I may revisit this entry later and amend/append.
Freedom to practice your religion versus freedom to not practice someone else's religion- and be not harassed for the refusal thereof.
Discuss.
Will this man ever quit? He was on TV when I was 6 years old. I had a babysitter who watched the 700 Club.
Congressmen urge Bush to protect chaplains’ religious liberty
Interesting. One thing I don't understand here...
The interim guidelines do not include a statement on evangelism included in the Code of Ethics issued only in January by the Air Force Chaplain Service. That document said of a chaplain, “I will not actively proselytize from other religious bodies. However, I retain the right to instruct and/or evangelize those who are not affiliated.”
So it seems that this person is saying that it's ok to evangelize...as long as it's only to people who claim no particular adherence to faith?
There's also this...
The Alliance Defense Fund filed a motion Nov. 7 to intervene in the suit to protect the interests of two Air Force officers, Maj. James Glass, a chaplain, and Capt. Karl Palmberg, an F-16 pilot. “After over five years of service and over 500 F-16 flying hours both overseas and at home, I consider my constitutional right to discuss my faith without censorship or fear of retribution as valuable to the military and the future of our nation as the aircraft, bombs and bullets I am trained to employ,” Palmberg said in a written release.
"Constitutional right to discuss my faith"
Are we talking about a debate or exchange of ideas here? Or are we talking about attempting to convert someone? NOT the same thing.
This whole issue really kinda bugs me- and by "This whole issue" I mean prostheletizing/evangelizing, anywhere, not specifically within the Air Force or any other particular organization. And by "really kinda bugs me", I mean it irks the hell out of me.
Freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Which I must grudgingly admit means prostheletizing is legal. HOWEVER, it also means that we are free to practice religion or lack thereof without harassment from others (Well, theoretically anyway.)
Many Christians see it as their religious duty to evangelize. Most people (that I know of anyway) don't WANT to be evangelized.
I believe that such a thing has no place in the workplace (I would have to say with the possible exception being if you're working for a church or church-affiliated organization, which I wouldn't necessarily agree with, but that's a REALLY grey area. I don't know too many hyperliberal atheists who would say, go to work for the Christian Coalition. If for some unfathmable reason I was ever in a situation where I willingly went to work for such an establishment, I'd EXPECT such attempts.)
I'm totally rambling here. I think I may have left some thoughts incomplete. But I need to do stuff. I may revisit this entry later and amend/append.
Freedom to practice your religion versus freedom to not practice someone else's religion- and be not harassed for the refusal thereof.
Discuss.
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Date: 2005-11-11 06:43 pm (UTC)It's real simple: my freedom to swing my fist ends one molecule of air away from your nose. You can start in on how great your religion is, but as soon as you tell me I'm wrong or going to hell because I don't believe the same things you do, or don't stop when I ask you to, that's harrassment.
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Date: 2005-11-11 11:16 pm (UTC)