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Apr. 10th, 2006 09:16 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
badstarYou know it really frustrates me to no end to see anything that might be a "positive value"- love your neighbor, protect children from harm, etc referrred to as "christian values" and then if you happen to comment to that extent, you're on a soapbox, or you have an axe to grind.
You'd be frustrated too, if all the things that you agreed were good, were commonly referred to as being held in monopoly by a single religion other than your own.
note...this isn't in reference to livejournal, so don't go looking through my friends list for posts to bitch at.
edit: what I actually intended to be the point of my post, but didn't realy word it as to indicate it cleary was the fact that so often, if someone says somethign about this, then they're automatically assumed to be up on a soapbox or had an axe to grind. As for the instance in question, I honestly had never even metntioned the idea of referring to any positive values exclusively as Christian, a I had done at the time was to ask another poster to clarify something that she had said...and I made it clear that I was asking for clarification of somehting BEFORE I posted anything in response. I literally said "Before I post in response, I'd like to ask you to clarify what you mean by....Because depending on you answer, I may or may not have somehting to say."
Now the person in question did clarify...and acknowledged that what she said was not necessarily the best way to put it, and everyhtign was find in talking to her, but a few other posters just jumped in before I said anything and started on about how some people just can't resisting grinding the axe every chance they get. What annoyed me most was that this is a topic that I have NEVER mentioned in that particular forum, and the ones who made those comments, were a couple of the most frequent responders to other things that I HAVE posted.
You'd be frustrated too, if all the things that you agreed were good, were commonly referred to as being held in monopoly by a single religion other than your own.
note...this isn't in reference to livejournal, so don't go looking through my friends list for posts to bitch at.
edit: what I actually intended to be the point of my post, but didn't realy word it as to indicate it cleary was the fact that so often, if someone says somethign about this, then they're automatically assumed to be up on a soapbox or had an axe to grind. As for the instance in question, I honestly had never even metntioned the idea of referring to any positive values exclusively as Christian, a I had done at the time was to ask another poster to clarify something that she had said...and I made it clear that I was asking for clarification of somehting BEFORE I posted anything in response. I literally said "Before I post in response, I'd like to ask you to clarify what you mean by....Because depending on you answer, I may or may not have somehting to say."
Now the person in question did clarify...and acknowledged that what she said was not necessarily the best way to put it, and everyhtign was find in talking to her, but a few other posters just jumped in before I said anything and started on about how some people just can't resisting grinding the axe every chance they get. What annoyed me most was that this is a topic that I have NEVER mentioned in that particular forum, and the ones who made those comments, were a couple of the most frequent responders to other things that I HAVE posted.
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Date: 2006-04-11 01:59 am (UTC)If you've ever seen "The Wizard of Oz", there's a (here paraphrased) response by Auntie Em to the woman who would play the Wicked Witch: "I've waited years to say something to you, and now that I have the opportunity, as a Christian woman, I can't."
it's an old term, "Christian Values", and it's said 100 times over in Churches. It's not an insult per se, to other religions, it's an expectation of a Christian. So there's not any attempt to insult you or anyone else.
-- Rich
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Date: 2006-04-11 02:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-04-11 03:52 am (UTC)in the instance I am referring to, someone said something about how everyhtign would be so much better if the country would return to Christian Values. So I said "Okay, before I comment fursther, could you please explain to me what you mean when, in this instance you say "Christian Values"
(in this instance she was ONLY referring to the idea that sex must occur only in the context of mariage between a man and a woman. Now she was saying that this would cure the world of child pornography, which if you ask me is ridiculous)
To her credit before I had the chance to respond, she acknowledged that "Christian values" may not have been the best wording.but not before a few others had the opportunity to make comments aout me getting off topic in the forum and just never resisting the opportunity to grind an axe...it galed me even further that I had NEVER before brought up this particuar subject in ANY thread on the forum, and these people were some of the most frequent responders to some of my postings so they knew it.