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Apr. 10th, 2006 09:16 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
badstarYou know it really frustrates me to no end to see anything that might be a "positive value"- love your neighbor, protect children from harm, etc referrred to as "christian values" and then if you happen to comment to that extent, you're on a soapbox, or you have an axe to grind.
You'd be frustrated too, if all the things that you agreed were good, were commonly referred to as being held in monopoly by a single religion other than your own.
note...this isn't in reference to livejournal, so don't go looking through my friends list for posts to bitch at.
edit: what I actually intended to be the point of my post, but didn't realy word it as to indicate it cleary was the fact that so often, if someone says somethign about this, then they're automatically assumed to be up on a soapbox or had an axe to grind. As for the instance in question, I honestly had never even metntioned the idea of referring to any positive values exclusively as Christian, a I had done at the time was to ask another poster to clarify something that she had said...and I made it clear that I was asking for clarification of somehting BEFORE I posted anything in response. I literally said "Before I post in response, I'd like to ask you to clarify what you mean by....Because depending on you answer, I may or may not have somehting to say."
Now the person in question did clarify...and acknowledged that what she said was not necessarily the best way to put it, and everyhtign was find in talking to her, but a few other posters just jumped in before I said anything and started on about how some people just can't resisting grinding the axe every chance they get. What annoyed me most was that this is a topic that I have NEVER mentioned in that particular forum, and the ones who made those comments, were a couple of the most frequent responders to other things that I HAVE posted.
You'd be frustrated too, if all the things that you agreed were good, were commonly referred to as being held in monopoly by a single religion other than your own.
note...this isn't in reference to livejournal, so don't go looking through my friends list for posts to bitch at.
edit: what I actually intended to be the point of my post, but didn't realy word it as to indicate it cleary was the fact that so often, if someone says somethign about this, then they're automatically assumed to be up on a soapbox or had an axe to grind. As for the instance in question, I honestly had never even metntioned the idea of referring to any positive values exclusively as Christian, a I had done at the time was to ask another poster to clarify something that she had said...and I made it clear that I was asking for clarification of somehting BEFORE I posted anything in response. I literally said "Before I post in response, I'd like to ask you to clarify what you mean by....Because depending on you answer, I may or may not have somehting to say."
Now the person in question did clarify...and acknowledged that what she said was not necessarily the best way to put it, and everyhtign was find in talking to her, but a few other posters just jumped in before I said anything and started on about how some people just can't resisting grinding the axe every chance they get. What annoyed me most was that this is a topic that I have NEVER mentioned in that particular forum, and the ones who made those comments, were a couple of the most frequent responders to other things that I HAVE posted.
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Date: 2006-04-11 05:45 pm (UTC)You don't see many news articles about Pagans trying to keep reliion out of politics altogether...and that's not to say the media is biased against us either, because you don't see much in the news about ANYONE trying to keep religion out of government altogether, with the glaring exception of the ACLU (and I've addressed my thoughts on them in a previous post)
You really do hear a LOT more about who's trying to drag one group or another down, or elevate one or another over everyone else, you hear very little about those who try to life EVERYONE up equally (I'm slowly in the process of trying to find examples of A,B & C...whether they be pagan, christian, whatever)
Out of A, B and C, I have to say I personally have seen a lot more of C than of A and B for the reasons I mentioned above. Now there are a number of pagans out there- and other than christianity, I have seen more examples of this within the pagan community than those of other religions- there are a number who DO seem to believe that "freedom of religion" is "freedom of religion as long as it's not christian"...they may not say this, but it's obvious though what they DO say and do that it's what they believe.
I'm really sorry to say that I have met a number of such people...and even sorrier that they are among the numbers of what I consider to be my spiritual community. I consider this to be more problematic than those who believe that "freedom of religion" means "freedom of christianity" because the "freedom of christianity" crowd at least tends to be very up front about it, instead of attempting to hide it.